Middle Nikaya Majjhima Nikaya

35. State of Saccaka (Culasaccaka Sutta).

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Thus have I heard.
One time Bhagavan at Vesali, Dai Lin forest, in the auditorium of egg.
At that time at Vesali Saccaka Niganthaputta popular polemical nature, skillful argument, which is the majority of reverence. This often declared to the congregation at Vesali: "I do not see a recluse or a Brahmin does, is the Association of Home, is Hambo, chief monk church, posing as oil grade A -la-drought, the Enlightenment, when the dialogue with us, nobody is not scared, no panic, no terror, no one is not sweating armpit. Whether we have a dialogue with a pillar accidentally , pillars that the dialogue with us tremble, also frightened, terrified and alone that an ordinary person. "
Then Assaji morning venerable robes, holding a bowl into Vesali for alms. Niganthaputta Saccaka, often wandering the galaxy, seen venerable Assaji travel distance. After the show, Niganthaputta immediately approached venerable Saccaka Assaji, they speak the words to ask, welcome, courtesy and stood aside. After standing aside, Niganthaputta Saccaka told venerable Assaji:
- This venerable Assaji, recluse Gotama disciple training like? And there are certain subjects that most recluse Gotama is devoted to teaching disciples?
- Aggivessana, like this, Bhagavan trained disciple. With subjects like this, most of recluse Gotama is devoted to teaching disciples: "Behold the monks, is impermanent, life is impermanent, perception is impermanent, is impermanence practice, wake impermanent. This, monks, is selfless identity, life is selfless, selfless thought, act as selfless, selfless consciousness is. All is impermanent practice, all the selfless approach ". This Aggivessana Thus, Bhagavan coaching disciples. Such is the discipline that largely Bhagavan teaching is devoted disciple.
- This venerable Assaji, actually we were disappointed to hear recluse Gotama such preaching. It is likely we will see Venerable Gotama a certain time and in a certain place. Chances are there will be a discussion. Very likely we will rid evil he wrong.
At that time, around the five hundred Licchavi ear gathers amphitheater for some duties. Then the Licchavi Niganthaputta Saccaka to his seat, after arrival, he started to say the following:
- Come, the venerable Licchavi; go to the Licchavi venerable. Today there will be conversations between the recluse Gotama with us. If recluse Gotama standing dialogue with us as monks Assaji, a disciple of his reputation did, then as an athlete clutching a lamb coat with long hair, can last up to, jerk back, rhyme around; also, we are using words, pull forward, backward, recluse Gotama rhyme round. As an athlete cooking wine, after engulfing a large wine barrels down deep water lake, holding a bucket angle can pull forward, backward, rhyme around; also, we are using words, pull forward, backward, recluse Gotama rhyme round. And like an athlete alcoholism, dissolute life, after holding a sieve corner, shaking, shaking swing. Also, we will use words, shaking, shaking swing recluse Gotama. And like a big elephant sixties, after diving into a deep water lake, the water spray play; well, I think I will play games with Salmone sprinkler Gotama. Come, the venerable Licchavi. Come the venerable Licchavi. Today there will be conversations between the recluse Gotama with us.
Some Licchavi said as follows:
- How recluse Gotama can win Niganthaputta Saccaka comment? Niganthaputta Saccaka will win recluse Gotama comment.
Some Licchavi said as follows:
- How's just Niganthaputta Saccaka could win Bhagavan comment? Bhagavan will win Niganthaputta Saccaka comment.
Then Niganthaputta Saccaka with five hundred Licchavi around, go to the Great Forest, amphitheater egg.
At that time a large number of monks was walking back and forth between heaven. Niganthaputta Saccaka to the monks, after arriving, he immediately told:
- Chu venerable, this venerable Gotama where? We want an audience with Venerable Gotama.
- Aggivessana, Bhagavan after going into the Great Forest forest, sitting under a tree to take a nap.
Then Saccaka with mass Niganthaputta Licchavi, after going into the Great Forest and Forestry, to spot Bhagavan. After arriving Niganthaputta Bhagavan Saccaka speak with words of praise, asked courtesy and sat down on one side. Some Licchavi bowed and sat down on one side; some Licchavi speak with Bhagavan's words of praise, asked courtesy and sat down on one side; some vow, Bhagavan Licchavi hands in and sat down on one side; some Licchavi confess your name and sat down on one side; some Licchavi silent sit aside.
Niganthaputta Saccaka after sitting down one side told Bhagavan:
- I want to ask Venerable Gotama a problem, if Venerable Gotama allowed me to ask.
- Aggivessana, ask as he wants.
- Venerable Gotama coaching disciples like? Those departments that mostly recluse Gotama is teaching for disciples?
- Aggivessana, like this I trained disciples. With this subject, the majority of my teaching is devoted disciple: "Behold the monks, is impermanent, life is impermanent, perception is impermanent, operating as impermanent, consciousness is impermanent. This Monks, color is selfless, life is selfless, selfless thought, act as selfless, selfless consciousness is. All is impermanent practice, all the selfless approach ". Thus, this Aggivessana, I trained disciples. The department thus largely be devoted to teaching our students.
- This venerable Gotama, I have an example.
Exalted says:
- Aggivessana, talk to her example.
- As the seeds, the plants are grown up, matured, are flourishing because they are all on the ground care, rely on the land. Thus the seeds, the plants are growing, mature, flourishing. Venerable Gotama, as the heavy industry are artifacts, they are all on the ground y, relying on land. Thus, the heavy industry are artifacts. Also, this venerable Gotama, as this person that self is excellent, thanks to excellent refuge do good or evil of the; as this person that the self is the life, thanks to rely upon the good or bad sensation as the; as this person is a great ego, thanks to a great refuge to do good or evil of the; as this person that the self is the operator, thanks to lean on the good actions or bad as the; as this person that the self is consciousness, thanks to the friendly recipes refuge or the evil.
- Aggivessana, so if he said: "Form is my self, feeling is my self, perception is my self, act as my self, consciousness is my self '?
- Venerable Gotama, so I said: "Form is my self, feeling is my self, perception is my self, act as my self, consciousness is my self." And this mass as well.
- Aggivessana, this mass has nothing to do with Mr.? Aggivessana, explain his words.
- Venerable Gotama, so I said: "Form is my self, feeling is my self, perception is my self, act as my self, consciousness is my self."
- Aggivessana, I will ask Mr. back on this issue. He can answer if he wants. Aggivessana, What do you think? A king-Delhi Police did empowerment, as King Pasenadi Kosala, King Ajatasattu, son Vedehi Magadha country, this king have power in their country, to kill those who deserve to be killed, want Duke worthy winners who are deprived, those who wish frequency is being attacked out?
- Venerable Gotama, a king-Delhi Police did empowerment, as King Pasenadi Kosala, King Ajatasattu, son Vedehi Magadha country, this king has power in his country, wanted to kill anybody worth killed, wanted to deprive anyone should be deprived, those who want frequency output is being attacked. This venerable Gotama, to the congregations, unions, such as which served the Malla, still have power in their country, to kill those who deserve to be killed, want to deprive anyone should be deprived, Frequency want anyone come under attack, and say a king-Delhi Police did empowerment, as King Pasenadi Kosala, King Ajatasattu, son Vedehi Magadha country. This venerable Gotama, he had such a power and authority he deserves.
- Aggivessana, What do you think? As he says: "Form is my self," he powerless against his identity and say, "My Lust like this, my identity is not like this," no?
To be told that Niganthaputta Saccaka remain silent. The second time, Bhagavan told Niganthaputta Saccaka:
- Aggivessana, What do you think? As he says: "Form is my self," he powerless against his identity and say, "My Lust like this, my identity is not like this," no?
Second, Niganthaputta Saccaka remained silent.
Then Bhagavan told Niganthaputta Saccaka:
- Aggivessana, now he must answer. He did not have time to keep silent anymore. Aggivessana, who is Tathagata asked a third time a reasonable question without answer, the first time he will be broken into seven pieces in place.
At that time deleted Vajirapani god (Vajrapani) holding a huge iron mace, glowing, shining, standing on top Niganthaputta not Saccaka with intent: "If Bhagavan asked to the third question, a question Niganthaputta Saccaka reasonable question which did not answer, and I will shatter his head into seven pieces ". Only Bhagavan and see god Saccaka Niganthaputta Vajirapani deleted. Niganthaputta Saccaka fear, panic, hair up, down, only to find cover where Bhagavan, just find a peaceful place of Bhagavan, only find refuge in the Exalted, instant lord:
- Venerable Gotama ask me, I will answer.
- Aggivessana, What do you think? As he says: "Form is my self," then he has excellent powerless against him and say, "My Lust like this, my identity is not like this," no?
- No, the Venerable Gotama.
- Think carefully test, this Aggivessana. After thinking skills test, this Aggivessana, he just answered. His last words inappropriate His preface, foreword by Mr. inconsistent last words of Mr. Aggivessana, What do you think? As he said: "Life is my self", he powerless against her life and speak, saying, "My Life as this, my life is not like this," no?
- No, the Venerable Gotama.
- Think carefully test, this Aggivessana. After thinking skills test, this Aggivessana, he just answered. His last words inappropriate His preface, foreword by Mr. inconsistent last words of Mr. Aggivessana, What do you think? As he said: "I thought that my self", he powerless against such ideas and say, "My Ideas like this, my thoughts are not like this," no?
- No, the Venerable Gotama.
- Think carefully test, this Aggivessana. After thinking skills test, this Aggivessana, he just answered. His last words inappropriate His preface, foreword by Mr. inconsistent last words of Mr. Aggivessana, What do you think? As he says: "These are my self", Mr. powerless against his ego and has said that: "The right of me like this, my actions are not like this," not ?
- No, the Venerable Gotama.
- Think carefully test, this Aggivessana. After thinking skills test, this Aggivessana, he just answered. His last words inappropriate His preface, foreword by Mr. inconsistent last words of Mr. Aggivessana, What do you think? As he says: "Consciousness is my self", Mr. powerless against his ego and say, "My Soul to like this, my knowledge is not like this," no?
- No, the Venerable Gotama.
- Think carefully test, this Aggivessana. After thinking skills test, this Aggivessana, he just answered. His last words inappropriate His preface, foreword by Mr. inconsistent last words of Mr. Aggivessana, What do you think? Lust is permanent or impermanent?
- Impermanence, Venerable Gotama.
- What is impermanent, then that is suffering or optimistic?
- It is hard, Venerable Gotama.
- What is impermanent, suffering and damage variable; have reasonable budget when the main bar was: "This is mine, this is mine, this is my self '?
- No, the Venerable Gotama.
- Aggivessana, What do you think? Tho ... (as above) ... idea ... (as above) ... the operator ... (as above) ... Aggivessana, What do you think? Consciousness is permanent or impermanent?
- Impermanence, Venerable Gotama.
- What is impermanent is suffering or optimistic?
- It is hard, Venerable Gotama.
- What is impermanent, suffering and damage variable; have reasonable budget when the main bar was: "This is mine, this is mine, this is my self '?
- No, the Venerable Gotama.
- Aggivessana, What do you think? Ai Ai attachment size, attachment size, attachment size, format bar and say: 'This is mine, this is mine, this is my self. " He can put his knowledge of himself or suffering can not live eradicate suffering?
- How can there be, Venerable Gotama? Can not so, Venerable Gotama.
- Aggivessana, as someone who wants to be the core plant, sought the tree cores, go here and there searching for wood pulp. He held a sharp hammer, went into the forest. He can be seen here itself a large banana tree upright, young, no single bite. He can chop that tree. After cutting the tree, he cut the tree. After cutting the tree, he can peel off the leaves to curl. But when peeling off the leaves curl, the plant did not find the feeling, still say to core the tree. This Aggivessana Also, when I asked, I questioned, I asked about the words of He, He himself proved empty, empty, failed. But this Aggivessana, words which he declared to the congregation at Vesali: "I do not see a recluse or Brahmin does, is the Association of Home, is Hambo, chief monk Church, oil can claim to rank Arhat, Enlightenment, when dialogue with me, no one is not scared, no panic, no terror, no one is not sweating armpit. Oil I have to Conversation with an accidental pillars, pillars that the dialogue with us tremble, also frightened, terrified and alone that an ordinary person. " But from His forehead, this one often. But from his forehead, this Aggivessana, the sweat running down, after permeable upper robe, falling to the ground. As for me, this Aggivessana, this is no sweat on my body.
Then Bhagavan revealed his body and the congregation to see. When they heard that, Niganthaputta Saccaka silent, ashamed, indented shoulder, bowed, sat stunned, not saying a word.
Then Dummukha, a son Licchavi, known Niganthaputta Saccaka silent, ashamed, indented shoulder, bowed, sat stunned, not saying a word, immediately lord:
- Buddha, I have an example.
Exalted says:
- Hey Dummukha, talk to her example.
- Buddha, like a lotus pond not far from the village or town many, here are crab. Buddha, then a majority of the son or daughter going out of his village or town, to the other in a lotus pond, after arriving, she began diving into the lake water crabs and placed it on dry land. Buddha, as this crab claws sticking out, so is the son or daughter was, with a stick or a piece of crockery, cut, break and smash his claws. Thus, venerable sir, crabs were cut, broken, crushed with all the more, to wade into the lake was like before. Likewise, venerable sir, every single lecture, next time, the debate was Bhagavan Niganthaputta Saccaka severed, broken, smashed. And now, venerable sir, Niganthaputta Saccaka, unable to meet Bhagavan, do not say is intended discourse.
When they heard that, Niganthaputta Saccaka told Licchavi Dummukha:
- He just stopped talking, Dummukha! He should stop talking, Dummukha! We have no conversation with Mr. We are conversations with Venerable Gotama. Venerable Gotama, let alone our words and the words of the recluse, another Brahmin. I think this pointless conversation is worth regret! Up to what extent, a disciple of Venerable Gotama Sravakas become compliant liturgical texts, accept instruction, get rid of doubt, hesitation is cessation, achievements fearless, living in church Duty Counsel , from having to rely on anybody?
- Here, this Aggivessana, Sravakas My disciples, for any material, past, future, present, internal or external, gross or subtle, inferior and superior, far or near, seen as true with intelligence chief was: "This is not mine, this is not me, this is not my self." For every sensation ... to every idea ... for every action ... for everything, past, future, present, internal or external, gross or subtle, inferior and superior, far or close, seen as true with intelligence chief was: "This is not mine, this is not me, this is not my self." Until such a degree, this Aggivessana, a disciple of my hearers become compliant liturgical texts, accept instruction, suspected to be the exception, indecision is killing innovation, achievement fearless, living in church Guru, from having to lean on someone.
- To some extent, this venerable Gotama, monks are level Arhat, taints took advantage, into complacent practice, the work should have been done, has put the burden down, the items Achieved, organic fetters were the exception, freed mind is right?
- Here, this Aggivessana, monks against any of matter, past, future, present, internal or external, gross or subtle, inferior and superior, far or near, all the material, after lifelike observe with intelligence chief: "This is not mine, this is not me, this is not my self", proving to be very clinging liberation. For whatever life ... any idea yet how ... any applicable ... to anyone whatsoever, past, future, present, internal or external, gross or subtle, inferior and superior , far or near, all knowledge, after lifelike observe with intelligence chief: "This is not mine, this is not me, this is not my self", evidence detachment rescue craft. Until this level, this Aggivessana, monks are level Arhat, taints took advantage, into complacent practice, the thing to do was to do, laid down the burden, the target has been achieved, Organic fetters were the exception, freed mind is right.
With such freedom of mind, this Aggivessana, monks accomplished three supreme law: Ants supreme, supreme Truth, Salvation supreme. To be liberated so, this Aggivessana, he just homage, respect, worship, offerings to the Tathagata: "Bhagavan was enlightened, he preached to enlightenment. Bhagavan was subdued, he preached to subdue. Bhagavan was calm, he preached for calm. Bhagavan has passed, he preached to pass. Bhagavan saw Nirvana, He preached to witness Nirvana ".
To be told that, Niganthaputta prospectus with Bhagavan:
- Venerable Gotama, we really blunt, we really are reckless. We have dared to verbally polemical with venerable Gotama! This venerable Gotama, it can also have the security of a mad elephant fights, but there can be no safety for a fight Venerable Gotama! This venerable Gotama, it can also have the security of a cloud of fire fighting, but there can be no safety for a fight Venerable Gotama! This venerable Gotama, it can also have the safety of a person battling fierce snake, but can not have the safety of a person battling venerable Gotama! Venerable Gotama, we really blunt, we really are negligent. We have dared to think, use words to polemic with Venerable Gotama! Expect venerable Gotama accept, tomorrow my meal with them monks!
Bhagavan quietly accepted.
Niganthaputta Saccaka Then, after knowing Bhagavan said yes, immediately told the Licchavi:
- The venerable Licchavi listen to me. Recluse Gotama tomorrow are invited to eat with them monks. Please bring me what you think is trendy.
Then the Licchavi does, after night you have accomplished to bring about five hundred Niganthaputta Saccaka rice cooked with milk offerings. Niganthaputta Saccaka Then, in his garden, to prepare hearty dishes, kind of hard and soft kind, then for the news hour for Bhagavan:
- Venerable Gotama, now it was time. Rice was preparing to finish.
Then Bhagavan morning robes, holding a bowl y, go to Niganthaputta Saccaka garden, after arriving, he was prepared to sit on the seat with them monks. Then Niganthaputta Saccaka, manually served hearty dishes sort them hard and soft types Monks, head of the Buddha. Then Bhagavan said Niganthaputta after meal was finished, left hand bowl, and he took a chair and sat down other low side. After sitting down on one side, Niganthaputta Saccaka lord:
- This venerable Gotama, in the generosity of this, if there is merit and merit place, hope that your generosity will be happy.
- Aggivessana, will have (merit) for the charity, for as he ought to have been offered, though He is not no greed, no pitch was not, is not no delusion; will have (merit) for He, the Aggivessana, for worthy offerings like me and I had no desire, no courts, no delusion.END=NAM MO SAKYAMUNI BUDDHA.( 3 TIMES ).VIETNAMESE TRANSLATE ENGLISH BY=THICH CHAN TANH.THE MIND OF ENLIGTHMENT.WORLD VIETNAMESE BUDDHIST ORDER=VIETNAMESE BUDDHIST NUN=GOLDEN LOTUS MONASTERY=AUSTRALIA,SYDNEY.25/9/2015.